"hand me down" pilots

[KevinR]

Is there any precedence for people who essentially have retired from Dawn Patrol for whatever reasons and will never play again to give their pilots to someone else?

Here is why I ask: Some people may remember my brother Mason used to play Dawn Patrol. He was never much into it and played off and on for about two years and after finishing last in an Armistice Day tournament said he'd never play it again. And he hasn't. He didn't have a huge roster (about 8-10 pilots), and I think his most experienced guy maybe had 7 or 8 missions. But he did play under Indy Squadron house rules either at my house or in official Indy gaming days, so they're legitimate pilots.

We are thinking of giving those few pilots he had to Garrett to help him build up a few more pilots (since he's very new to the game).

Would anyone have a big problem with this or is it a violation of any rules?

[albpilot]

Jan 18, 2010 22:14:29 GMT -5 KevinR said:

Is there any precedence for people who essentially have retired from Dawn Patrol for whatever reasons and will never play again to give their pilots to someone else?

Here is why I ask: Some people may remember my brother Mason used to play Dawn Patrol. He was never much into it and played off and on for about two years and after finishing last in an Armistice Day tournament said he'd never play it again. And he hasn't. He didn't have a huge roster (about 8-10 pilots), and I think his most experienced guy maybe had 7 or 8 missions. But he did play under Indy Squadron house rules either at my house or in official Indy gaming days, so they're legitimate pilots.

We are thinking of giving those few pilots he had to Garrett to help him build up a few more pilots (since he's very new to the game).

Would anyone have a big problem with this or is it a violation of any rules?

I would have a problem with it. The accepted standard is that a player plays the pilots he created, period. Don' t think (and Stephen or George, chip in on this one) that I've ever seen a pilot 'handed down' in my 10 years of playing. JMO.

If I am mistaken, I will stand corrected, cos I have only played 10 years, and the majority of the FitS group has played longer than that, so I could well be.

[Michael]

Jan 18, 2010 22:14:29 GMT -5 KevinR said:

Is there any precedence for people who essentially have retired from Dawn Patrol for whatever reasons and will never play again to give their pilots to someone else?

Here is why I ask: Some people may remember my brother Mason used to play Dawn Patrol. He was never much into it and played off and on for about two years and after finishing last in an Armistice Day tournament said he'd never play it again. And he hasn't. He didn't have a huge roster (about 8-10 pilots), and I think his most experienced guy maybe had 7 or 8 missions. But he did play under Indy Squadron house rules either at my house or in official Indy gaming days, so they're legitimate pilots.

We are thinking of giving those few pilots he had to Garrett to help him build up a few more pilots (since he's very new to the game).

Would anyone have a big problem with this or is it a violation of any rules?

Well I don't think you should give Garrett the so called "hand-me-down" pilots mainly because after a year of playing I have a decent sized pilot roster with an ace,.
My main point is if Garrett has to put some effort into it he'll get a good sense of accomplishment, I mean I had one of those "feel good moments" every time I check another mission on one of my pilots, and I nearly popped a blood vessel when John Wolfgang became an ace.
I just think Garrett will feel better if he has a pilot roster that's purely his, he can think back and go "I remember th first time I flew this guy!", I mean he'll be waaay happier if his first ace is one of his pilots that he's only had and not some "hand-me-down".
By the way this is just IMHO.

[KevinR]

I think it's important to remember we're only talking about a few pilots, and looking them over the most experienced was a 5th mission pilot. Mason played the game maybe a handful of times over a 2 year span and will never pick up the game again. His pilot book has been sitting in my closet for about 4-5 years. I personally see no reason those guys can't be used. Garrett hasn't had the advantage of playing the game at home whenever he'd like. The other day he was frustrated because he had lost his pilot roster, so I came up with the idea of giving Mason's to him. He found his pilots, but he really only had 3 or 4 guys.

I asked if it was a violation of any rules in the game or any Indy house rules. If we were talking about aces or 20 pilots with lots of missions I'd never consider it. Most of the pilots were first or 2nd mission guys.

Actually he was thrilled and really excited about the idea.

[albpilot]

Jan 19, 2010 22:54:15 GMT -5 KevinR said:

I think it's important to remember we're only talking about a few pilots, and looking them over the most experienced was a 5th mission pilot. Mason played the game maybe a handful of times over a 2 year span and will never pick up the game again. His pilot book has been sitting in my closet for about 4-5 years. I personally see no reason those guys can't be used. Garrett hasn't had the advantage of playing the game at home whenever he'd like. The other day he was frustrated because he had lost his pilot roster, so I came up with the idea of giving Mason's to him. He found his pilots, but he really only had 3 or 4 guys.

I asked if it was a violation of any rules in the game or any Indy house rules. If we were talking about aces or 20 pilots with lots of missions I'd never consider it. Most of the pilots were first or 2nd mission guys.

Actually he was thrilled and really excited about the idea.

I can think of any number of players who played a few games then moved on (think Bart for example). The number of pilots or their record really isn't the issue, it's more that you are wanting to give something that really should be earned through the playing process.

Let's say one of those pilots goes on to become the Ace of Aces. He'll still have a "*" by his name for me. Or, lets say that someone else has a pilot that got killed but the player REALLY liked the pilot...no reason he can't resurrect him and fly him again, after all, it's just a game, no harm done.

I understand your motive, I just don't think it's the right way to go about it.

[noski]

Can't be done. Period. No exceptions.
Those are his pilots. Only he may use them.

D

[Stephen]

7th Edition Dawn Patrol rule book, "Role Playing Aspects" appendix:

"Rostered pilots and observers belong solely to the player who has flown them and earned their missions and kills. Characters may never be used by anyone but the player who owns them."

[Michael]

Jan 19, 2010 22:54:15 GMT -5 KevinR said:

I think it's important to remember we're only talking about a few pilots, and looking them over the most experienced was a 5th mission pilot. Mason played the game maybe a handful of times over a 2 year span and will never pick up the game again. His pilot book has been sitting in my closet for about 4-5 years. I personally see no reason those guys can't be used. Garrett hasn't had the advantage of playing the game at home whenever he'd like. The other day he was frustrated because he had lost his pilot roster, so I came up with the idea of giving Mason's to him. He found his pilots, but he really only had 3 or 4 guys.

I asked if it was a violation of any rules in the game or any Indy house rules. If we were talking about aces or 20 pilots with lots of missions I'd never consider it. Most of the pilots were first or 2nd mission guys.

Actually he was thrilled and really excited about the idea.

I know how the whole "not enough people to play" thing goes, I mean it took me a year to be able to get four people to play, so my pilot roster is just basically all the Indy official days last year and look I have a pretty decent pilot roster.
And if you want to play more often you know where we are!

[KevinR]

Jan 20, 2010 10:42:27 GMT -5 Stephen said:

7th Edition Dawn Patrol rule book, "Role Playing Aspects" appendix:

"Rostered pilots and observers belong solely to the player who has flown them and earned their missions and kills. Characters may never be used by anyone but the player who owns them."

Thanks that's what I was looking for. It was really just an idea because it seemed like a waste of a few pilots who have been sitting for years. He won't use them.

[KevinR]

Hey this was why I asked, to see if it was something that had ever been done or was against any rules.

[albpilot]

Jan 20, 2010 13:43:35 GMT -5 KevinR said:

Hey this was why I asked, to see if it was something that had ever been done or was against any rules.

No harm in asking.