alien01
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"Talk is cheap. Let's go play." Johnny Unitas
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Post by alien01 on Jan 26, 2007 17:52:08 GMT -5
It doesn't apply in this case since he exploded, but it should be possible for any out-of-control plane, to get the balloon kill. Any out of control plane can be moved by the rulebook out-of-control procedure to see if it goes through the balloon's squares at the balloon's altitude. If it does it has rammed the balloon and the pilot is entitled to the posthumous kill.
Note that, if memory serves, when any area of the plane except the engine is reduced to zero hits the plane is out of control. Also conflicting crits (e.g. no left and must bank left) or pilot hits would also qualify for this kind of kill.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 26, 2007 19:01:16 GMT -5
Oh yes, I had a shot... that wasn't the issue. I wasn't even out of control, just gliding with a dead motor on the turn AFTER I had the shot.
The issue was this - MG fire occured before airplane fire and its not supposed to occur until after. Being brain dead at the moment I failed to stop the game and correct the error. Instead I compounded it by accepting the MG fire out of sequence and, to make matters even worse, actually checking for crits BEFORE my shot ever occured. Then, despite the fact that I had already announced the shot, checked jams and deducted ammo points, numbers were rolled and we went on to the next turn. Being consumed with survival it did not occur to me that the whole sequence of everything was completely wrong and I had been gyped out of my shot.
Rick's point is that in the past (at Indy), when someone simply forgets to shoot at another airplane and the game moves on to the next phase and the shooter later remembers and suddenly wants to shoot, the recipient of the shots may decline it and say "sorry, you can't plug me now because you had your chance and you weren't paying attention to the game. I shouldn't have to pay for your inattentiveness." Although the situation isn't quite the same I do see the resemblence and I don't argue that it may apply to The Balloon Question, at least in part.
So the question seems to be: given the errors made on that turn, should I be allowed to reclaim my shot when, if the recipient of the shots had been another airplane and that player had protested, precedent would mandate that the shot be skipped?
Its probably good to explore the question for future situations, but in reality I've lost kills before and I'll lose more in the future. C'est la vie.
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alien01
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Post by alien01 on Jan 30, 2007 17:29:44 GMT -5
I wasn't saying that you might have gotten the kill, I was saying that 2LT Allen Chesterton might have gotten the kill, if things had been otherwise.
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Post by jrmcintyre on Feb 8, 2007 19:30:34 GMT -5
Couple of points to consider:
During a 'friendly game', if possible to do before the end of the gaming session & with no protests, go ahead and take the shot of the balloon if it does not adversely affect the game's outcome. For some, if the pilot is not flying again (ever), then it just makes for an interesting story and little more. For others, it does matter (greatly), so I'd let it pass, as Stephen said.
During contests/conventions, the ramifications of missing a part of the game sequence is significant. A miss is a miss; whether you forgot to take the shot or the dice let you down.
In the great scheme of things, it's a game (or so we should remind ourselves.)
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