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Post by Michael on Mar 20, 2010 19:45:03 GMT -5
He will rule mankind, won't he? A mankind cleansed of impurities. Forgiven of all sins by God through the blood of Jesus Christ, Who died on the Cross. But then again, you already knew that.  |
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Post by Michael on Mar 20, 2010 19:47:12 GMT -5
BTW, God would forgive Satin, if he really was willing to repent.
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Post by Stephen on Mar 20, 2010 19:48:32 GMT -5
It will have none of these worldly things that men seek after. But nevertheless, it will still be a government. Perhaps it will. Perhaps it will not. What we know is that Christ will re-assume his position of authority over the earth that was previously given to Satan. Beyond that we have only conjecture and speculation. We do not know what form, type or shape Christ's leadership will take, and we certainly cannot automatically assume that it will be based on the governments of today, which we both consider wicked and evil. And you did not answer my question, so I will ask it again here:
You and I would both agree that mankind is inherently evil, wicked and fallen, yet you have no problem accepting that Christ will one day rule us.
Why is it difficult to accept that God can also re-take possession of a ruling system that is now purely evil? Is he not capable?
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Post by Michael on Mar 20, 2010 20:00:57 GMT -5
You and I would both agree that mankind is inherently evil, wicked and fallen, yet you have no problem accepting that Christ will one day rule us.
Because, mankind will be cleansed of impurities. Forgiven of all sins by God through the blood of Jesus Christ, Who died on the Cross. Those saved will become blameless and righteous in the sight of the Lord, and thus being able to spend an eternity with Him. |
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Post by Michael on Mar 20, 2010 20:11:18 GMT -5
Why is it difficult to accept that God can also re-take possession of a ruling system that is now purely evil? Is he not capable?
It is not difficult to accept that a government will be ruled by God because government is not inherently evil. So tell me what system you are referring to and we can continue. |
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Post by Stephen on Mar 20, 2010 21:58:28 GMT -5
He will rule mankind, won't he? A mankind cleansed of impurities. Forgiven of all sins by God through the blood of Jesus Christ, Who died on the Cross. But then again, you already knew that. Is that a "yes" or a "no?" |
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Post by Stephen on Mar 20, 2010 21:59:56 GMT -5
Because, mankind will be cleansed of impurities. I asked IF God will rule mankind; you responded by discussing WHY God will rule mankind. Please answer the question. |
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Post by Stephen on Mar 20, 2010 22:03:32 GMT -5
It is not difficult to accept that a government will be ruled by God because government is not inherently evil. Remember, we are discussing human government in the present tense. Please do not offer futuristic prophesies that have nothing to do with human government in the present tense. Upon what do you base your claim? |
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Post by Michael on Mar 20, 2010 22:32:54 GMT -5
It is not difficult to accept that a government will be ruled by God because government is not inherently evil. Remember, we are discussing human government in the present tense. Please do not offer futuristic prophesies that have nothing to do with human government in the present tense. Upon what do you base your claim? Trying to pull the rug out from under me will only end up in another marry-go-round argument. |
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Post by Michael on Mar 20, 2010 22:34:14 GMT -5
Because, mankind will be cleansed of impurities. I asked IF God will rule mankind; you responded by discussing WHY God will rule mankind. Please answer the question. If I'm discussing why God will rule mankind, dosen't that mean yes? |
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Post by Stephen on Mar 21, 2010 18:26:59 GMT -5
Remember, we are discussing human government in the present tense. Please do not offer futuristic prophesies that have nothing to do with human government in the present tense. Upon what do you base your claim? Trying to pull the rug out from under me will only end up in another marry-go-round argument. If your claim has a solid, factual basis it should be no problem. |
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Post by Michael on Mar 21, 2010 20:48:18 GMT -5
Trying to pull the rug out from under me will only end up in another marry-go-round argument. If your claim has a solid, factual basis it should be no problem. I'm basing my claim on the fact that Jesus will rule a government someday, and that therefore means that government is not inherently evil, and it does not always end up in corruption and death and evil. |
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Post by Stephen on Mar 22, 2010 10:07:25 GMT -5
If your claim has a solid, factual basis it should be no problem. I'm basing my claim on the fact that Jesus will rule a government someday, and that therefore means that government is not inherently evil, and it does not always end up in corruption and death and evil. Then you have solid Biblical evidence that Christ's future form of leadership (whether it resembles today's governments or not) will not be inherently evil, and I agree completely. However, we still have three potential points of discussion: 1. The righteous nature of Christ's future form of earthly leadership neither supports nor refutes the assertion that human government today is inherently evil. 2. It is inconsistent to claim that future government will be righteous because Christ, who is incorruptible, will lead it, and yet at the same time claim that current human government is not necessarily inherently evil even though it has been given to Satan. If future government is inherently righteous because it has a righteous leader, then we must concede that present government is inherently evil because it has an evil leader. Either that, or we must accept that if Satan's government is not inherently evil, then Christ's government is not inherently righteous. You have to go one way or another. 3. And the final problem with your analysis is that history shows that government, almost without exception, DOES end in evil, death and destruction. Human history is nearly 100% consistent in that regard. History simply does not demonstrate that government can ultimately be anything other than evil. |
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Post by noski on Mar 23, 2010 11:34:49 GMT -5
So what should be done about the evil governments on the planet earth? (besides complaining about them and discussing which one is more wicked than another)
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Post by Stephen on Mar 24, 2010 16:40:25 GMT -5
Bring people to the realization that government is, in literal fact, purely, inherently evil.
Bring people to the realization that - as Lenin pointed out - government and freedom are opposites.
This is not merely complaining or bickering. It is the only means by which any freedom can be secured, for none are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
If people will wake up, the revolutions will happen on their own. The problem is not government... we expect government to be evil. The real problem is the silent consent of the millions of blind sheep who enable it.
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