KevinR
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Post by KevinR on Mar 14, 2010 23:08:03 GMT -5
I'll give you a hypothetical Stephen that is related to the story above and you tell me how you think it should be handled: The public servants in question should abide by the supreme law of the land as written in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 10th Amendments. These laws prevent them from taking any action whatsoever. A private company is not bound by constitutional law. What does that have to do with anything? How do you know the company wasn't the ones that contacted the police saying this guy was threatening to come shoot us all, and bragging he's bought guns to do this. You know nothing about this situation whatsoever but you blindly post it and accept the small article given and I see it posted on numerous "hate the government" sites all missing the critical information in the news article I provided for you. There is no PRO-government agenda in that article, the lady was just writing about what happened. Notice the article you posted was missing all kinds of pertinent data and included a lie that the man was arrested for buying guns legally.
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Post by KevinR on Mar 14, 2010 23:34:37 GMT -5
"I do not for a minute take for granted anything the mainstream media says." - Kevin The story was posted here at 8:17pm. You posted a mainstream media article in response at 8:44pm, claiming these were the true "facts." Since you never take for granted anything the mainstream media says, how did you manage to perform the research necessary to uncover the true facts in only 27 minutes? The article I posted contained the most factual information and was not colored with tons of "Hate the pigs, hate the establishment, we're all mundanes, the New World Order is out to get us" statements. It might shock you to know that I read fast and actually read about the same story about 15 times in that 27 minutes, looking over articles on multiple websites (most of them anti-government) before I found one that contained quite a bit of raw factual information that was NOT (conveniently) included in the websites that you like to quote. Instead the nuts and bolts of THAT story were stripped down and the details NOT convenient to the opinions of sites such as Lew Rockwell were stripped out. Why do you not want information from sources that include details that don't agree with your hate the government viewpoint if truth is what you are seeking?
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Post by KevinR on Mar 14, 2010 23:40:27 GMT -5
Why is it that you aren't interested in hearing all sides of these stories, including the sides of the police officers in question. I happen to have two very good friends who are officers for IPD. One of them was one of my two best friends and grew up across the street from me, and he's a detective for IPD right now. He is an honest man and a good man who would lay his life on the line to protect and serve.
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Post by Stephen on Mar 15, 2010 10:53:09 GMT -5
Have you contacted the lady who's name and contact info I gave above and researched whether what SHE wrote was fact or opinion? You should be willing to do what you demand from others. I'm not the one who has refused to accept information from the original suggested source, or to take both stories into equal account. You are.
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Post by Stephen on Mar 15, 2010 10:54:24 GMT -5
What does that have to do with anything? You asked a hypothetical question. I answered it. If you don't want an answer, don't propose the question.
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Post by Stephen on Mar 15, 2010 10:55:49 GMT -5
Why do you not want information from sources that include details that don't agree with your hate the government viewpoint if truth is what you are seeking? Presumptive, emotional question designed to accuse rather than seek truth. Try again.
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KevinR
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Post by KevinR on Mar 15, 2010 19:29:25 GMT -5
Have you contacted the lady who's name and contact info I gave above and researched whether what SHE wrote was fact or opinion? You should be willing to do what you demand from others. I'm not the one who has refused to accept information from the original suggested source, or to take both stories into equal account. You are. The source you quote is not the original source of info for the story. And you aren't giving the original source the same fair hearing you're demanding for the one you copied and pasted here.
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Post by KevinR on Mar 15, 2010 19:32:06 GMT -5
Why do you not want information from sources that include details that don't agree with your hate the government viewpoint if truth is what you are seeking? Presumptive, emotional question designed to accuse rather than seek truth. Try again. No it was based on your instant dismissal of the article that I posted which contained a lot of details that the anti-law enforcement sites are leaving out.
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Post by KevinR on Mar 15, 2010 19:34:00 GMT -5
In fact the whole exchange is a very clear indicator of the state of this discussion. You ask questions I give you in depth replies, and even post articles with further details, and you jump around to something else. I have a lot going on right now with school and life. I'll try to post some more later this week.
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Post by KevinR on Mar 15, 2010 21:17:23 GMT -5
Here are even more details about the man you copied and pasted your story in regards to. And the same reporter who originally reported on it, Anita Burke. She even quotes people who are questioning the actions of the authorities. Are you willing to examine this whole incident in detail and admit that you were misled by the site you copied and pasted the story from? www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100312/NEWS/3120325
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Post by KevinR on Mar 15, 2010 21:19:00 GMT -5
My guess is no. In fact in all the time I've known you I cannot remember a time when you ever said, "Hmmm I could be wrong," when it comes to politics or the government. On every other subject I've usually found you reasonable and rational. But on this one you are so difficult to talk to and it's a shame you don't see it Stephen. It doesn't change the fact that I love you like a brother. I just wish you were easier to communicate with on this topic.
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Post by KevinR on Mar 15, 2010 21:19:56 GMT -5
Why do you not want information from sources that include details that don't agree with your hate the government viewpoint if truth is what you are seeking? Presumptive, emotional question designed to accuse rather than seek truth. Try again. Presumptive conclusion, you don't know the heart of the person asking, only God knows the heart of men. It was most certainly not "designed to accuse rather than to seek truth". It was an honest reaction after you dismissed a far more factual rendering of the issue than what you copied and pasted from Lew Rockwell or wherever you got it. Did any of the sites you went to give the fact that the man had already been released from the psychiatric evaluation? No, and yet the forums at the anti-law enforcement sites are all still screaming "Kill the pigs", and they have no details. Do you want to be like that? If so I'm sorry you've made that choice.
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Post by Stephen on Mar 16, 2010 9:15:08 GMT -5
The source you quote is not the original source of info for the story. And you aren't giving the original source the same fair hearing you're demanding for the one you copied and pasted here. The "original source" is a police report. What could possibly be more biased than accepting the story of one side while rejecting the other?
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Post by Stephen on Mar 16, 2010 9:22:24 GMT -5
Every story you post claims the same basic assertions as the one I posted.
- David Pyles was accosted by gunmen wearing government issued costumes.
- Government gunmen promised not to arrest him if he would come out and talk to them.
- They lied. He was arrested and led away in chains.
- His legally purchased guns were stolen.
- There was no lawful arrest warrant, search warrant, seizure warrant or criminal charge against Pyles.
Why do you keep posting the same stories over and over and claiming them to be different?
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Post by Stephen on Mar 16, 2010 9:37:56 GMT -5
I happen to have two very good friends who are officers for IPD. Don't give up on them. It's never too late to confess sin, ask the forgiveness of your victims, to turn away from service to Satan and give your life to God. "Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus." - Paul
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