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Post by AP on Feb 28, 2008 11:14:51 GMT -5
This rules question has come up in an E-game and we were debating it at the table last night in the MN group.
On the second turn of takeoff, when throttle is 60-80MPH, must fly straight & final altitude is 0-50ft, can you target and fire at an aircraft in your forward firing arc?
The rules do not explicitly say that you cannot, but they also do not say that you can...hence the debate...
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Post by kirkh on Feb 28, 2008 12:02:36 GMT -5
I'm thinking if a bad guy decides to fly in front of your guns - why not?
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bolog
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Post by bolog on Feb 28, 2008 13:23:07 GMT -5
NO, No YOU nor your Wing men can not fire while taking off!!!!
of course I may have a conflict of interest in this question:) So my opinion doesn't really count nor do I have a rule for this. And next game I may change my mind.
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yoodle
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Post by yoodle on Feb 28, 2008 14:06:53 GMT -5
I'm thinking if a bad guy decides to fly in front of your guns - why not? Seems pretty logical to me. |
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Post by albpilot on Feb 28, 2008 16:19:35 GMT -5
I'm thinking if a bad guy decides to fly in front of your guns - why not? Seems pretty logical to me. I dunno. Can you fire while you're trying to land? I mean, if you are on the ground and a target is in your arc ahead of you, why not? |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 28, 2008 17:41:39 GMT -5
I think one is pretty clear. You can shoot.
The rules specify instances where shooting is not allowed, and during take off is not mentioned. The targeting and range rules are pretty specific, and this shot was presumably within them. The engine was running, which means that the interrupter gear was engaged (they hooked up through the camshaft).
Sounds like a shot to me.
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Post by kevan on Feb 28, 2008 17:44:29 GMT -5
The rulesmonger in me agrees that the rules don't preclude it, so I suppose I'll allow it in the egame. I prefer to have any house rules declared before game gets going.
On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing a pilot effectively shooting while either taking off or landing, due to fairly narrow requirements for aircraft attitude. Of course, an observer wouldn't be affected.
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joseki
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Post by joseki on Feb 29, 2008 2:10:00 GMT -5
If your flying straight and level your not giving up any lift or velocity. I'd say lay on!
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Post by gblemings on Feb 29, 2008 10:47:50 GMT -5
perhaps a modifier, either to hit, or table drop, if you attack on the turn you actually leave the ground. That would cover the fact that you are busy for part of the turn, trying to take off, and if you do get a shot, it would most likely be a snap shot, more of a reaction then a concentrated effort...
just a thought
garyb
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Post by AP on Feb 29, 2008 11:19:35 GMT -5
Well, the next question is then... would firing also effect take-off chances. The rules state that being fired upon does, but does not include firing... just another interesting point to ponder, especially if the target is not directly in front of you!
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noski
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Post by noski on Feb 29, 2008 13:20:49 GMT -5
A plane taking off form the ground moves before a/c in the diced movement order. An enemy pilot dumb enough to end up in its field of fire deserves to be shot at. The situation fits the rules on what is a legal shot and there is nothing to indicate that shooting is prohibited.
I say fire away...
D
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Post by kirkh on Feb 29, 2008 13:25:12 GMT -5
I guess it's all dependent on what one defines as "taking off". To me once my crate is in the air, if an enemy flies in front of my guns I'm a gonna blast 'em! I can see being restricted if the plane is considered to be on its takeoff roll, but anytime after that should be fair game.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 29, 2008 15:43:41 GMT -5
I don't think modifying the roll or restricting firing during "rolling" squares is applicable or supportable, because the turn represents twenty seconds. The shooting isn't necessarily confined to certain squares, and it doesn't require shooting the entire twenty seconds (or anywhere near it). And a relatively small degree of incline in the plane's attitude equates to a significant raising of the firing run 100-300 feet away, so attitude is a relatively minor consideration.
Let 'em shoot.
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bolog
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Post by bolog on Feb 29, 2008 19:00:41 GMT -5
I'm staying out of this one since i am in the game but I will say;
On a flight from La Ceiba to Roatan in Honduras our pilot answered his cell phone on take off and that wasn't the most unnerving thing to happen on that flight!
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Post by Orion on Aug 8, 2008 14:03:32 GMT -5
While playing world war ii online, I recently was talking to my wife, finishing my m&ms yogurt (with two hands) and pulling back on the stick (during take off) with the inner part of my bent right arm... let him shoot!
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