Michael
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2010 13:15:45 GMT -5
Or is it that you won't leave because that would be a bad business decision on your part. This country allows free enterprise and you profit from the system more than any one else in our group, so don't tell us "it's not financially possible" when you make more money than all of us. Is that why he had to borrow money from me to fill up his gas tank this morning? Really, is your dad on unemployment?
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phoenix
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Post by phoenix on Feb 27, 2010 13:16:01 GMT -5
No he has offered to help me forget what I know so I can see things his way. I am willing to re-examine everything I believe, side by side with you - as you abandon all of your preconceived notions as well - and join you in a mutual search for the truth. - Stephen Skinner Reply #46 on Feb 21, 2010, 9:59pm
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2010 13:17:11 GMT -5
I never said I was perfect. I refuse to reconsider my view because you have called me to test the Lord . Luke 4:12 And Jesus answered and said to him, “It has been said, ‘You shall not test the LORD your God.’”Jesus was quoting Deuteronomy 6:16 “You shall not test the LORD your God as you tested Him in Massah.I say again, I will not test Christ. You refuse to reconsider your views as much as myself and Kevin, and don't say "I only seek truth", because you still have failed to give me an answer as to how you determine "truth" and why your "truth' is better that all others. Truth is truth Michael. Your perception of truth doesn't make it true. It simply makes it your best guess. Really? Then I guess Stalin and Hitler did know the "truth".
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Post by phoenix on Feb 27, 2010 13:17:33 GMT -5
I've already presented the facts to you Michael. I'll state them again. During the 1982 Lebanon war the United States directly aided Israel in their invasion and attack on Lebanon, supplying weaponry and part of their 6th fleet. This was not our war. We we're not attacked. And we had no business there. Osama Bin Laden said the United States continued interference in the middle east starting with our attacks on Lebanon in 1982 was his motivation for attacking the towers. If you wish to disprove his statements as the rants of an insane madman then present me with the facts and prove to me that he is insane. Otherwise, you cannot ignore the fact that your own country initiated violence against someone who had never attacked us. And that we invited the 9/11 attacks. That is a proven indisputable fact. What does this have to do with what I said? Everything. Bin Laden didn't anger us, we angered him. The facts I have presented remove the grounds the statement was made on.
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2010 13:20:01 GMT -5
You stubbornly believe that your perception of truth is the only real truth, therefore, it does not matter what is actually real or not real, it does not matter what is actually true or not true. You have decided your perception will not be changed, and my father has not. So your accusations of his defense of his belief are completely false. Really he isn't just as stubborn as me or Kevin? Every one has preconceived ideas, including your dad. He has decided that his perception will not be changed just as much as the both of us.
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phoenix
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Post by phoenix on Feb 27, 2010 13:20:17 GMT -5
Truth is truth Michael. Your perception of truth doesn't make it true. It simply makes it your best guess. Really? Then I guess Stalin and Hitler did know the "truth". A presumptuous statement. Truth exists independently of them. Are you asking if I agree with their perception of truth?
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2010 13:21:12 GMT -5
What does this have to do with what I said? Everything. Bin Laden didn't anger us, we angered him. The facts I have presented remove the grounds the statement was made on. And then he angered us back, did he not?
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phoenix
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Post by phoenix on Feb 27, 2010 13:21:41 GMT -5
ne has preconceived ideas, including your dad. He has decided that his perception will not be changed just as much as the both of us. He is the only one on the forum to openly invite everything he believes to be tested. I don't know how you are coming to these conclusions.
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Post by phoenix on Feb 27, 2010 13:23:17 GMT -5
Everything. Bin Laden didn't anger us, we angered him. The facts I have presented remove the grounds the statement was made on. And then he angered us back, did he not? So you are defending initiating violence against someone who never harmed you? And by dog eat dog morals no less? Not very Christlike
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2010 13:28:26 GMT -5
Really? Then I guess Stalin and Hitler did know the "truth". A presumptuous statement. Truth exists independently of them. Are you asking if I agree with their perception of truth? No, I'm not asking a question. I'm saying if "truth" is reality then according to Stalin he should have ruled the world, and according to Hitler the genocide of the Jews is justifiable because they are an inferior race. If "truth" is not effected by ideals then they both had "truth".
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2010 13:31:24 GMT -5
And then he angered us back, did he not? So you are defending initiating violence against someone who never harmed you? And by dog eat dog morals no less? Not very Christlike What do you mean "never harmed us"? He ordered his cronies to fly into buildings to waste civilians. Would Christ have let 9/11 off the hook? What would He have said?
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Post by Stephen on Feb 27, 2010 13:32:42 GMT -5
Sorry to burst your bubble but, I have read posts by a law enforcement officer on another forum and he spelled it out plainly that there are no government spies patrolling any web forum If you found out that this information was incorrect, would it alter your views?
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Post by phoenix on Feb 27, 2010 13:34:25 GMT -5
What do you mean "never harmed us"? He ordered his cronies to fly into buildings to waste civilians. After we initiated violence against him he did, yes. He did not wake up one morning and randomly do it for fun, it was an act of self defense. He said himself 9/11 would've never happened had we not attacked him first. You read that yourself. Would Christ have let 9/11 off the hook? What would He have said? Luke 6: 27-31 But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 27, 2010 13:34:32 GMT -5
If you want to know what I wrote, you can seek truth and find it yourself in a matter of seconds by reviewing this thread. If you do not want the truth, no amount of "proof" will change your mind.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2010 13:35:56 GMT -5
If I was bin laden I would have realized that I'm going to die either way, so I would avoid any more senseless deaths, stop being a coward, and turn myself in. If I really was bin laden though I wouldn't have angered the greatest superpower on earth to begin with. America is not unreasonable, but we don't allow things to go unpunished. I've already presented the facts to you Michael. I'll state them again. During the 1982 Lebanon war the United States directly aided Israel in their invasion and attack on Lebanon, supplying weaponry and part of their 6th fleet. Because that's what allies do, they help eachother.
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